this is just such a fundamentally poor idea, turning food into fuel. and its not only me that thinks this, BRK does as well. just search anything about Berkshire Hathaway Charlie Munger on Ethanol or jump to this quick quip about it, http://thepanelist.com/Neubert's_Tr...thaway_Charlie_Munger_on_Ethanol_20070505306/ enough said. further more to expand on the whole new potential for oil in the Dakota's, its being able to get oil out of slate and mud and the such, as of now we don't have a good or profitable why to do this, hopefully we develop one, it would be a huge find, similar to finding another Al-Ghaw?r oil field as national geographic put it. (ill post a link to the artical if it shows up for free anywhere) they are trying to extract oil from Bituminous rocks see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bituminous_rocks one good artical mentioning the tar pits from NG can be found here http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/06/world-oil/roberts-text/2 (its mentioned on page 2)
I did not say that ethenol is a good alternative fuel. I am talking about solar energy, wind power, and safe nuclear energy.
I wrote a long post about this all, then I realized that I would be preaching to the def and the dumb. I will only say this... The current environment in the US is perpetuated by the most prevalent of American virtues....Ignorance. I say we keep up the current path, so we can follow in the path of other great civilizations of the world, like the Romans
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I will offer up my opinion I guess, in the hopes that it doesn't earn me a ban . I think drilling off-shore will be beneficial. When we purchased Alaska, I highly doubt the lawmakers at the time did so because of all the Polar Bears and pretty landscape. Everyone also wants to put money into alternative fuels and I really don't see why. This whole "Green" initiative is a larger scam than the "evil big oil" companies. If you honestly take a look at the amount of money being dumped into it, and also take a look at how rich clowns like Al Gore have gotten off of it, it will make you sick. But it is for some reason accepted, because he is "trying to save the environment". I simply don't get it, for every fact you can show me that global warming is true, I can show you another one disproving it. I for one plan on being here in 7 or so years when the off-shore drilling really begins to help, and I also don't believe there is any real threat to the environment.
so you are saying global warming is BS? Just asking. And even if we do drill off-shore and ANWR and it the results do kick in a few years later it will not be much of a relief because gas prices will keep rising . If we are not in an oil bubble the oil price will only raise.
Global warming is not BS. The debate is whether or not it is being caused by us and not a natural function in the evolution of the earth.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/science/topics/globalwarming/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier You have to be delusional to believe that Global Warming is not real.
Ok seriously, I typically try to keep from entering online debates of this type, but this is blatantly false. The scientific community is in almost unanimous support of the global warming phenomenon. I'm not talking about the crap you hear on the national news media about some professor of physics saying it's incorrect, I'm talking about the climate change professionals and other industry leaders. Arguing that Al Gore "got rich" off of climate change mania is a bunch of bull****. He simply strongly believes that alternative fuels are the future, and moved his investments appropriately. To be honest, I'm not sure how anyone could argue that was a bad idea (although with how the market looks currently, it looks like he could've made a killing on buying up some oil futures). Oil isn't going to last forever.
Exactly, the earth is not on a perfectly round orbit, it's more oval shaped. I don't remember how long they said it takes, but eventually earth will cool down again and go into an iceage of some sort as we get into an orbit further from the sun. Millions of years from now. The question is, are we speeding up the warming of the earth with all the pollutants we are putting into the atmosphere. Regardless, the ice caps are going to melt eventually, and some millions of years from then, half of the earth will be under ice sheets again.
I should have been more clear I guess, I don't argue that climate change isn't real. But I will argue that it is in no way caused by humans or the emissions we produce. What Al Gore did is ethically wrong. He is a high profile person in the world that quite a few people believe, and he based on very faulty logic and evidence created a worldwide scare that humans are infact causing global warming. This caused a huge rush on alternative fuels and the ever popular "carbon footprint". It just so happens that old Al had a boatload of money invested in these alternative fuels that he caused a rush on. Now, Alternative fuels are in no way a bad thing. But we also are going to be just fine for quite a few years while we take our time figuring out the best and most cost effective way to make them a reality. We don't need to be opposing things that will help in the meantime, and we also don't need to be pooring billions into things like e85 and other wastes of time. Nothing good has ever come of a mass hysteria void of critical thinking like this "green energy" phenemenon has become. We simply need to take a step back, realize Al Gore was simply wrong and figure out the best way to develope Alternative Fuels, because yes....Oil won't last forever. But oil also is not going to run out for a decade or two.....we have some time.
I agree with Roon .. and the "green" thing is starting to get on my nerves. Enciting a fad isn't going to help anything .. but at least the high gas prices have made people think twice about buying huge SUVs that they don't really need (when they don't have kids or a need for them ... one woman in downtown mpls in a huge yellow hummer comes to mind when I think of "wasting fuel")
Wait, WTF, what happened to my post about drilling = f#$king for virginity? HTF was that off-topic? Judging ontopicness seems to be the slippery, oily north slope of Alaska.
Obviously Earth is not on a round orbit, they figured it out thousands of years ago. And they teach you that in first grade. and no one has any concrete proof if this is just a natural cycle. It might be or might not be. What Al Gore did that is ethically wrong? BTW he got a Nobel prize for his research.
Wow Taras, look up Milankovitch cycles, then come back and tell me something I don't already know. edit: I should have mentioned that in my last post, and figured you would have come back with some smart ass comment
Go read my post if you are confused as to how it was ethically wrong. It also was not his research, and the Nobel prize is really nothing to brag about anymore......it is the MTV VMA of the science community now.
Disagree, but you do better then some on this board at writing out your opinions. I think it is false to say that humans are not to blame for rising world temperatures. As I mentioned in my previous post, the human effect upon world temperature is now a very well accepted fact in the scientific community. Hell - just think of the amount of heat given out by adding a couple hundred thousand bodies to the total population of earth each day. In addition, there are things like increased heat transfer due to building growth (asphalt stores much more heat then soil), along with numerous other scientifically proven heat mechanisms. With that said, obviously I drive a Subaru. There is certainly a rational way to go on with researching and moving toward alternative fuels, and I agree that this will take time.
Well, the correlation between c02 and temperature has been disproven by research. Everything on the earth moves in cycles, the seasons, life....everything. I firmly believe that the earth is capable of handling the minimal c02 put out by humans. Compare that to one volcano explosion or other natural c02 emitting phenomenon. The earth can handle it, I promise you it has no effect on temperature. But you are of course entitled to your opinion . Thank you for keeping it civil.
Doesn't matter, it's not happening right now http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/15/bush.oil/index.html
Yes, the CO2 research has had good papers on each side of the argument. I think the jury is still out (although I'm around 3 years removed from being involved in this type of discussion). I do have some experience in this, as I got my B.S in Geology, and took numerous courses in Climatology and Earth Processes (just so you know I'm not just pulling **** out of my ass ). My point is that there are many other factors, many of which could be alleviated with the use of alternative fuels, that have an effect on global temperature. Oil and car fuels are only one small part of this equation. Also, I should note that Al Gore did not get rich on from his involvement with Generation Investment Management (which I believe you are referencing when saying his ethics should be questioned), he got rich off of stock options in both Google and Apple, as well as some other venture companies in the early 2000's.
Well, I wish I had Apple stock, as well. Then I'd be making money on all the sucker fanboys. No one said they weren't doing something right. /ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing.
well thats a better way of saying it.. I meant in the way Al Gore goes on about it and a lot of the leftist liberals whom set hummers on fire cause they are gas hogs forgetting all the pollution they just sent airborne with burning rubber and plastic... not to mention when Al Gore travels all over the world to show how we are killing the world.. doe s he walk or ride a bicycle... no.. probably flies a private jet...
Wow, where to start? (This'll be long, but entertaining.) Yeah, because Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi are all dealing with oil covered beaches from all the drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Do you even have any idea of how far out they'd actually be drilling? Oh wait, of course you don't. Nevermind the fact that India and China are already drilling out there. I'm sure there's no way that we could do just as well if not better than they could at it. We're years away from being able to put any alternative fuel options fully online. Why isn't drilling now an acceptable bridge to future technology? And prove to me that the oil companies are buying up all these new technologies and patents or turn in your tinfoil hat. Raising the minimum wage would be the death knell for a lot of small businesses who are already stretched tight thanks to rising prices for everything. Another priceless quote. There's plenty of oil left in the US, both in ND and CO as well as offshore. ANWR is another place where we know we have oil, and the total footprint would be less than 2000 acres. Domestic drilling would do plenty. A garden hose against a bonfire is still doing something. Swing and a miss. If someone had kept to their promise and not posted anymore in political threads this wouldn't have blown up, kinda like every other thread he touches. He's pretty much back to everything he was doing when he got banned the other two times. It's a relief, and it's a step towards getting off of foreign oil. Both are good things. Amen. I have no doubt the planet is getting warmer, but I don't think it's the man made calamity that it's made out to be. The planet has survived much, much worse than mankind and guess what? It's still here. I refer to George Carlin: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ljNDbKpusT0 (NSFW language. It's George Carlin) Went the same place my post on my frustration about another thread going to hell. 2nded. It's not like he discovered radiation. IMO he just has really good timing. 20 years ago we were worried about Global Cooling. I wonder what we'll be worrying about in another 20? Michael Crichton has a great book called "State of Fear" that brings up some very good points. You're worried about animals and pushing for windmills? Have you seen what these things do to birds? Not to mention the fact that they're not economically viable yet. Let's just jack up energy bills some more!
We just put up 10 new widmills at work, the project costed 100 million. wonder how many years before they see a profit.
well i was talking to an engineer down in Northfield that runs theirs, and he was complaining that when the winds are down, there is nothing at all that its good for, and when its peaking out they have to shut it down sometimes because it overloads the system... too efficient at times? if they can harness the energy they make while they make it, they are a pretty slick way to go about things IMO.
If Al Gore is flying private jets at least he is not supporting the filthy unions and related antiquated financial anchors that continue to drag our economy under water. Get past the rhetoric and stump speech fodder and figure something out for yourselves. It is not that hard to understand.
Dont want to post a new thread that will anyway get deleted or locked. Thought this was a fun video especially the cheesy "green family" ad. Enjoy (or hate) [YOUTUBE]JKBVEDJY[/YOUTUBE]
That's a little far fetched. First off, solar panels are nice where there is sun year round. You can't do solar panels in Minnesota because 50% of the year we are under cloud cover. And I'm not knocking the ariel atom with an electric motor, because it excels in a race environment, it is also an open wheel minimalist race vehicle, where the Carrera GT and Ferrari, while they are sports cars, have leather interiors, dashboards, stereos, A/C and other creature comforts, where the electric car has no windshield and is basically a metal junglegym with wheels and a seat.
Yeah, that family was pompous as hell, and they taught their daughter to act like a smug ******* which is disgusting. "Everyone should use solar power" Sure, I'll do that, when you front the several thousands of dollars required to solar power my entire house, and find a way to clear the cloud cover for the entire winter season. They obviously have alot of money, their "Solar Solution" has more to do with the fact that they have lots of money to spend on such solutions. Also, if I had that much money, I'd sink it into coal burning sports cars.
yeah the prices of solar panels right now are too hight for anyone in the middles class or even upper middle class to afford. And they are not super efficient yet either. But if the government would give big tax breaks for people to buy them it would be nice. I know they give some money but its very little compared to the price of the panels.
