Ojibwe Forest Pro Rally, Aug. 22-23

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  1. boomer
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    This weekend was great. I met lots of good people, got to run my car hard, on stage roads, tipped a few back with the workers and race teams, and watched a heck of a race I also got plenty of signatures on the MNSubaru banner we sported at our marshal station Saturday. Now I can't wait for LSPR. I'm told it will be even better.
     
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    Glad you guys had fun. I have to say de/bannering was the easiest I've seen thanks to all the help. Thanks guys!

    They always need help bannering Friday's stages on Thursday. I can get you in touch with the guy that does it if you want. LSPR bannering is nothing compared to Ojibwe. I think it took two cars less than 3 easy hours to do the whole day. Passmore is my favorite Friday stage. You'll need your plate for Echo Lake though (aka F'd up Lake by the competitors cause its so rough).

    I'll likely be heading up Thursday, but if I have the Leggy won't be in the mood for much bannering.

    Mark, you wouldn't by chance be at Team O'Neil that week would you? :)

    Amy
     
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    ^^^^We are still waiting on the bannered car story.....


    Russ
     
  4. ScandiaWRX
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    I have one suspect in hand, he confessed. I'd been waiting for a while to track down Derek Ringer. See he co-drove for Colin McRae when they won the '91 and '92 British Rally Championhip in a Subaru Legacy (the first prodrive Subaru, before the GC8) and I thought it would be cool to have him sign the dash in my car. So I finally track him down at the banquet and ask him to come outside and sign the car. He's following me out, as I'm explaining that I'm painting the car to look like the Rothman's Legacy, I drove Advance 1 for the weekend, blah, blah, blah. As my car gets into view I see its covered in banner tape, so I add, "Oh, I am banner chief too and it appears the peasants have revolted" I then apologize for having to debanner my own car to let him in to sign the dash. When he saw the car he said, "It's been a long time since I've seen one of these."

    http://www.digitalgopher.net/gallery/5738327_DC647#359432527_vm2h5-M-LB

    While out debannering we left Jason's car at the Elbow Lake store, where it was also bannered.

    Followed by my house! Never should've showed those miscreants where I live...
     
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    Yeah, that sounded like a big crash! I talked to Boomer at a gas station just north of Itasca state park. Next year I’ll have to try and sign up with you guys I was with an older couple from Texas who were pretty damn ornery with each other the whole time :ugh: I was on Finish 1 & 6. I never got to ride on any of the course either :emo: But maybe next year :roll:
     
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    I just missed ya at the store as I was out changing Dan's tires when you were inside. Got to say hello to your wife and the little ones sleeping in the back. Nice to see that you were there and yes, you should come play with us next year...we had a blast!!!!
     
  7. greg donovan
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    that is way too cool that you got ringer to sign the dash. i cant wait 'till your car is done. i wanted to paint our rallyx sedan like that. maybe we should do ours like the one burns drove around the same time?
     
  8. boomer
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    Oh yeah, thanks again for the help on that. Much appreciated.
     
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    I'm looking forward to it, I should probably look into setting my car up with tires, lights, skid plate? Maybe do some rally cross? I'll have to talk to you guys and learn what I need to do to set my car up. The less things to break the better especially when I off-road :biggrin:
     
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    don't go on 17s....:(
     
  11. Vector
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    There's enough time to get in an order for a skidplate (from me, of course ;) ) and have it delivered to the next rallycross, which isn't too far from you...

    Oh, and I have some NIB lights I could be talked out of too...
     
  12. Vector
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    Good advice. Although I ran Advance 1 at Headwaters on 17s one year when the guy who was going to do it blew an engine (I was his co-driver, so we swapped roles and took my car). That was an exercise in white knuckle rock avoidance, trust me.
     
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    Those would't be the HIDs now would they? Tempting, very tempting.

    Amy
     
  14. Vector
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    I was coming to the conclusion that nobody was going to buy the HIDs, and that I'd sell the rest of my lights and just use those. But if someone were to buy the HIDs, I'd thank them from the bottom of my wallet. Which is all too easy to see these days.
     
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    NIB? What the heck are those.
     
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    Skid plate is a must. Extra lighting not a bad idea. Extra set of tires 16" or smaller winters/used rally tires are also a must. I got used to Nemadji and wasn't going to bring the winters. Changed my mind and boy am I glad I did. The roads are crazy rough in some spots and I hear LSPR is even worse. Ojibwe killed my catback but Graham from CPD is going to do a fix job to get it up out of harms way.
     
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    New In Box

    The lights I have are all Hella FF1000s (well I have a set of cheapo Hella 500 clones made by "Navigator" too).

    I have 2 FF1000 Pencil beams - same as Amy has on the Legacy now? very long range lights.
    i have 2 FF1000 Driving beams - normal long range, a wider pattern than the pencil beams but not as much reach
    and I have 2 FF1000 Xenon - driving beam with 35w Hella HID D2S and Gen 3 ballasts.

    The standard FF1000s are $80 each from rallylights.com
    The HID FF1000s are $529 each from rallylights.com

    Some of the lights have been unboxed, but none have ever been mounted. I'll beat rallylights.com's prices by a significant margin.
     
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    Oh no, my light bar might be thanking you while my wife and wallet may not. I am really looking for a set of cornering lights so I'll hold off for now.
     
  19. Vector
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    A set of Hella 500FF or ever better, 700FF will do pretty good for cornering lights for mere mortals like us. If you don't run them all that often you can overlamp them, but it will eventually kill them (they will crack from heat stress). But at the 500FF prices ($65/pair at Wallyworld) it's not the end of the world.
     
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    I have 500ffs right now in use for their intended purpose as driving lights. Would you suggest a second pair adjusted to point out to the left and right? I figured they would be too focused for that.
     
  21. Vector
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    Depends on how fast you turn, doesn't it?

    Foglights aren't going to throw effective light more than 50' or so in front of the car.

    One possibility, and what i was going to do at one point, is to use a cheap knockoff light that will have a less defined beam and a little more dispersion than a good driving light, and just aim it to the side. The cheapo "Navigator"
    Hella 500 knockoffs I got were for that purpose, but then I decided to go FF1000 pencils for distance, FF1000 HIDs for the main fill, and FF1000 driving as the cornering lights.

    Charts from rallylights.com for illustration.

    Hella Rallye 4000 Fog:
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    Notice how the light drops off significantly after about 20 meters and by 30 meters, it's more or less done.

    Hella Rallye 4000 Cornering beam:

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    The beam is as wide or wider then the fog beam, but usable for a much longer distance. You might get some of this by mis-aiming a fog light to get a little more reach out of it, but not all that much.

    Hella Rallye 4000 driving beam

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    Long, and pretty tightly focused, but not nearly as focused as:

    Hella Rallye 4000 pencil beam

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    Very narrow, very long focus.

    These diagrams are for one lamp.

    Imagine two of these:

    Hella FF1000 Xenon:

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    With two of these pointing down the middle:

    Hella FF1000 Pencil:

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    Except this chart is with 55w bulbs, and i'd have 130w bulbs (the FF1000 can take 'em).

    Flanked by two of these, flared out to provide cornering fill:

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    Except, again, this is a 55w diagram and I'd be running 130w.

    Now do you get what I'm talking about?

    Not quite what you see off of the full blown top rally guys' setups, but not too far off, either...

    That's what I was going to do, but the caris going to become a door-to-door ice racer, and so I'll never need all that light just for working a rally.

     
  22. boomer
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    Thanks for all the info.
     
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    Mayhem Ojibwe Rally Recap

    The Ojibwe Forests Rally treated Mayhem Racing very well this year. At the end of the weekend, we won our class in both regionals, won Friday’s event overall, we were the fastest regional car over both days combined and the fastest 2WD car in the entire event.

    I want to thank our crew, Mary, Amanda, Carrie and Kevin. I also want to thanks the organizers, workers and teams that made this event great. Thanks to Rob for a great job from the silly seat.

    Our event started on Wednesday when we were part of the display on Nicollet Mall in downtown Minneapolis. It was great to participate and be in the middle of a huge amount of foot traffic. I hope this can become an annual event.

    We left Thursday morning for Bemidji. No drama on the trip. Arrived with time to register, grab a soak in the hot tub and go to dinner. Mayhem Racing highly recommends T-Juans for Mexican when in Bemidji. After dinner we had the Mayhem Mustang on display at Bemidji Speedway for the Cowboy Kenny freestyle demo. That guy has awesome skills. It was fun to see an impromptu flip from Travis also. Oh to be on the young side of 30 again.

    Friday morning dawned and it was off to tech. Once there, we signed up for the dyno pull to be held Saturday morning. After tech it was lunch and another hot tub session. Another eats recommendation is the Pita Pit next door to the AmericInn, tasty.

    We got to the speedway and signed into expose. I was all relaxed until I saw the start order. We were NOT where we belonged. I went on a tear to find the stewards. After about 5 minutes of searching and bitching, someone pointed out that the speedway stage was an inverted start. What an idiot. We were right where we belonged. It’s not the first time I’ve gone off without understanding everything, it won’t be the last. I can laugh about it now.

    So, stage one was…interesting. I carried too much speed into the first 180 degree pin turn and ended up spinning the car and overrunning the fast line. Quick recovery and we were headed for the infield. This time, the speed was fine but too much throttle. Spin number two followed. At least we put on a show. We finished the stage and got ready to leave. Our crew wished us well and we were on our way to the forest stages.

    Stages 2-4 went well with little drama. We had a driveline vibration that felt like a driveshaft but it all held together. We arrived at service and determined we should swap out the driveshaft. Kevin set about that task while Rob went to get scores. We were 2nd OA in the regional, 20 seconds back from the Krowlikowskis. On go the lights, have something to eat and we are on our way to the second half.

    On stage 5, we came across the regional leaders, the Krowlikowskis, just off the road but high centered. We tried to pull them free but the Mustang just couldn’t get enough traction to get the job done. We gave up just as Heath and Kim got to us. Sorry for the dust guys. I’m glad it didn’t cost you the win.

    The rest of the night went great. We had a good pace and everything worked well. We won Friday’s regional overall.

    Saturday morning we’re up, fed and out to check out the car from the night before. We had one cracked brake rotor but other than that, just normal stuff. After changing the rotor, we’re off to the dyno. The dyno result was 337 Hp and 347 Tq at the wheels in 4th gear. I also received evidence that fourth gear is good from 40 to 135 mph. I love torque.

    The first leg of Saturday went well with one exception. One of the cars towards the front pulled out a rock and left it in the line on a blind R3. We took it down the middle of the car with a big bang. Turns out the exhaust took most of the impact and kinked one pipe down to about 40% flow.

    At service, we found out we were leading the Saturday regional by 12 seconds over…you guessed it… the Krowlikowskis. We did a quick rotation of the tires to put the best edges where they will do the most good. Had an ice cream cone and it was soon time for the last leg of the rally.

    We had no more drama on the last leg but found out that we were the last car to get through before the tree Ken Block killed finally fell and blocked the road. At the end, we found out that the Krowlikowskis had made up the 12 second gap plus 3.5. Congrats to them on their OA win. I will never feel bad loosing to a team with their level of ability and experience. It is always fun racing with them.

    The awards and other post event activities were fun. I really liked the overall freedom we had at the Curling Club compared to previous years.

    I hope nobody has lasting welts from gravel we relocated during the rally and I hope we put on a good show. I hope to see you all at LSPR.
     
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    No welts from you (just Travis), but I felt like a chinchilla that just had a dust bath after you came by on the very last stage on Saturday.
     
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    i think i need to start servicing for you. you guys have all to good stuff.

    what flavor was the secret to your speed saturday?
     
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    Peppermint Chocolate Chip....nom nom nom nom nom
     
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    this was a great rally! very laid back. i had a lot of fun servicing with the women! Carrie was a great addition to the team of Mary and Amanda, and i look forward to having her at LSPR!!
     
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    Did Carrie give you and Mary and Amanda "MN Rally Girls" shirts?

    :laugh:
     
  29. ScandiaWRX
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    Brent was wearing one :)

    Amy
     
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    i predict a run on Peppermint Chocolate Chip next august. hope the ice cream shop stocks up.
     
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    And this is unusual why?
     
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    :needpics:


    And I was toasty warm
    LOL
     
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    No, but I can make some :)
     
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    I had a great time on Mark's crew. It was a lot of fun. Now...what are the girls at work who think that I shouldn't do timing and scoring at RallyCrosses because it is too manly going to say about me being crew????

    Who cares! I would love to crew at LSPR if Mark and Mary will have me.

    Carrie
     
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    That is the silliest question today. Let's see, my crew was filled with three good looking, car competent chicks and a guy that doesn't complain about diving under a muddy rally car. I'm not changing an F'in thing unless I'm forced to.
     
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    it wasnt so much muddy as it was dusty... and i really wish you could stop driving on those dirt roads... it makes working under the car a bit of an inconvenience.... haha