and if you are gonna LIVE in an english speaking country you better f'ing believe you should be able to communicate in the native language... no different then if an American moved to Japan or such..they had better learn the language... I guess they need a degree before moving then huh?
I agree, but only somewhat. You can live in a foreign country without fully grasping the language. However it is probably in your best interest to NOT start arguments based on education level until you are fully capable of writing/reading at the level of the people you're arguing with. If you argue that college educated people are smarter and will make more money then you should probably show how smart you are by constructing immaculate arguments. Otherwise it's wise to keep your mouth shut. I certainly don't have a mastery of the Korean language but I have yet to tell a Korean cab driver that I'm superior because I'm college educated and speak his language.
A woman I work with speaks fluently in six languages, russian being one of them. Several times while we worked together with would get groups of Russians in, and they were usually young people. They would talk crap about her in russian and she would just play like she did not understand. When they cashed out she would politely tell them in russian that she speaks the language very well. Needless to say their eyes got about as big as dinner plates. She tells me that russian women are especially mean. So 3ric's statements about the condescending nature is not without some truth. I'm not trying to be a **** here, but the way you come across pretty much sums it up.
Normally I don't do this because it's petty and way to much work for too little gain. This is an exception. If only your English teachers could see the drivel you post on a daily basis. Underlined for basic structure/spelling/capitalization mistakes. Bolded for irony.
Typos. I type slow if i take a long time. You pick at me, just because you have nothing to prove me wrong with the points i make.
This week I believe. Since I'm a loser that didn't finish college I'm getting the full amount back for my meager earnings.
I'm gonna have to jump on the loser with no college degree train. However I make very good money and I'm good at what I do. Oh yeah and I do have professional licenses to do what I do so I really don't need a degree. I scored a perfect on my math section of my act's. I don't need a degree to know I'm smart, Taras. As you get older you'll realize all a college degree is is a piece of paper.
Brilliant! Thats quite the revelation. If you take a long time at typing, you type slow. Elementary my dear Watson! We pick on you because you spout off about education and college when you can barely write complete and coherent sentences. Then you talk about how your english grades are? Please.... Also, you make very few points, and you change the subject often. That was established fairly well near the beginning of this thread. As a side note, please do not use wikipedia. Your secondary education institution should have taught you wiki is not something base a debate on.
Try practicing what you preach once in a while. While your "callege" educated self struggles with basic spelling and grammar. If you filled out an employment application the same way you type out a forum post, I'd not only not hire you, but I'd likely offer you an interview just so I could laugh in your face as I read your application back to you.
Oh I forgot to add something, Taras. My job pay starts out the same whether you have a degree or not and advancement is based on performance and knowledge and NOT education. I make the same as my friends that finished school and do the exact same job. I'll agree with you in that some fields it will start you at more but your blanket statements are far from true.
Ripping on grammar? Lol, that's like the lowest thing to do when you got no other ways to prove your point. Even though you have a point and Taras should at least be checking the spelling, but so do others, with english being their native language. That piece of paper lets others know you're somewhat smart. You may think whatever you want about yourself, but proving your smarts to others (employers) is a different thing. If you think you're smart - go to college and make even more. If you're very smart - you won't have to pay a dime for your education. Another thing to keep in mind - typical person changes careers more than once during life, so all those professional certificates (that basically say you've got some experience in your field) will become worthless, while a college degree, no matter what the field, will still have value, since it will still mean that you're smart, not just experienced in an obsolete craft.
I'm glad you followed up with the observation about my point. I don't poke fun at people's spelling/grammar, usually. However when someone makes their English grades the basis for their condescending world view it is only right and proper to use their own words to attempt to show them the fallacy of their argument. Some people get it. Some don't.
Not specifically aimed at you, seems pretty common here to rip on Taras for spelling, and let things slide most of the time for others. Did you get an answer about his English grades? Not yet. Given that he cannot always express his thoughts coherently, "Well my grades in English speak for themselves." could easily mean that his grades are poor and he's asking to cut him some slack
ROFL. That woman believes in unicorns. She starts off on the failboat and then proceeds to paddle it to fantasy land. [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]Let me break those down first. 1) To say that college WILL do something and then say it is LIKELY makes it BULL ****. It COULD make you more prosperous, but there are plenty of other factors involved... 2) Better quality of life? That is based off of the prosperity thing, which now makes this bogus. 3) It will give you the power to change the world. This is chocolate unicorns and rainbows talk. EVERY SINGLE PERSON has the ability to change the world. They don't need college to do that. Ever. People changed the world well before college was dreamed up. 4) You cannot pass your college education on to your children. They, like yourself, must go to college and get their own degree. 5) What are you even talking about now lady? More chocolate unicorns talk. You don't need college to contribute to the greatest nation on earth...whatever that is. [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=arial, helvetica][FONT=arial, helvetica][SIZE=-1] Again, you don't need college to climb out of a dead end market. And you DEFINITELY don't need college to become independent from your parents. I was independent of my parents at 17 years old...and that was without a lick of college. Not only that, but while college kids were thinking about their middle class "firsts", as John put it, I was already attaining them. Also, all without college. And the first "New Car" is often a long shot for a college grad, since he is busy getting his butt humped out by College Loans and other debts. And again, you can have a college degree and still have the misfortune of 'poor advice' (whatever the hell that means.), money problems, bad decisions and wasted time. Oh, let me think, Taras...maybe you should have waved your Mystical College Wand to make a good decision instead of letting David LaValle stuff your ass with a pre-payment on a junk car, and then kept the wheels from it. But you were just fed bad advice from a bunch of non-college kids sucking on their parents teats? Oh, no wait, they told you not to buy the car at WMC. I didn't need a college education to know that buying salvaged cars with a 7000 dollar deposit and having to provide him with parts to finish the car was a stupid idea. And you can't even claim the social or cultural gap on this because 90% of the scam artists that try to join my website are from Russia. So I know you've been exposed to dirty dealings before. [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=arial, helvetica][SIZE=-1] Oh, look, here comes Dr. Fruitbat again to tell us about more sugary unicorn fantasy land stuff. Greater use of seatbelts? Greater attendance at live performances? What kind of dumb list is this? I'm willing to be the boss told her she needed to write something soon or she's gonna get canned...then slipped LSD in her Diet Coke and locked her in her office for the day. This is the most irrelevant list since lists were invented...and they were likely invented before college existed. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=arial, helvetica][FONT=arial, helvetica][SIZE=-1]And that is why there are IT department guys that skipped college and instead got certified to do what they do, so that Joe Businessman of the Information Age can get his email problems fixed and figure out how to use spreadsheets. [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=arial, helvetica][FONT=arial, helvetica][SIZE=-1] [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=arial, helvetica][FONT=arial, helvetica][SIZE=-1]Oh gee, doctor, I don't know. How about the fact that social change can happen without college, and how if the only legacy you extend to your children is a college degree then you might want to rethink your life. That whole article was mind-blowingly retarded. I can't believe you would even post this. No wait, I can. This is the kind of crap they would hand out in pamphlet form to college students waiting to talk to an entrance counselor. When you start off by saying college WILL do something, you had better back it up with hard facts. WILL = 100%. The words MIGHT, MAY, COULD, MEANS TO, yadda yadda yadda = not WILL. Not to mention that most of the stuff she listed either doesn't require a college education or was likely added in a drug induced haze. [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT] [/FONT]
College doesn't make you smart. A college degree simply shows that you have proven yourself in certain competencies and proven that you can read or hear something and understand it enough to regurgitate it onto a piece of paper at the end of the term. I have met plenty of college graduates that I would not label as smart. Intelligence is part knowledge and part ability. You can use ability to gain and use knowledge, but knowledge cannot substitute for ability. C's get degrees. And a C average is what? 70 - 75%? That means you understood 75% of the knowledge presented to you in college.
I know highschool 4.0 students that can't critically think their way out of a moist paper bag, and I know guys that failed out their sophomore year of HS that can make very complex decisions.
Sure, and like I said - going to college just lets others know you're smart enough to get into college. Its an important information to employers. And its never late to get a degree.
Well, let's be honest, we all know that some jobs and careers require education. Typically, these are also the higher paying career paths (Doctors, Lawyers, Pharmaceuticals, Engineers, etc). I don't think it can be argued that if you would like to get in to one of those industries, you are required to get a college degree. However, the premise "go to college and you will earn significantly more money in your lifetime" is flawed. The type of person likely to go to college is the type of person more likely to cure cancer or invent that new type of car. The correlation that college is the cause of an average higher income over your lifetime is not necessarily correct. In today's day and age, college is only a wise choice for a small portion of the people actually attending. The statistics are terrible, something like 1/3 of incoming freshman do not graduate with a degree within six years.
What does that prove? Ah, right, nothing. If you're good at making complicated decisions you should go into business administration, and to get there you need a degree.
It is further proof of the point that smart has nothing to do with college. Plenty of smart people don't go to college, and plenty of stupid ones do. Getting a 4.0 in HS doesn't mean you're smart. And getting a 2.5 in HS doesn't mean you're stupid. And if that is too difficult of a concept for you to understand, then maybe you should go to college and get smart.
No. No you don't. It's recommended. It's usually in the 'requirements' of a job posting. But you don't NEED it. Also, most business admin folks are NOT good at making complex decisions. At least not the ones I've had to deal with.
Smart enough to get in? These colleges want your money. They want the money you don't have, but are paying out the ass in loans to pay them with. Smart enough? My classmates are far from the most intelligent people I've met, but that didn't stop the university from accepting them, or their tuition, lab fees, registration fees, book fees, parking pass etc.
I have one question to ask you. Then im done... Is it your goal to piss everyone possible off on this site?
I know too many engineering students that do not know how to shift a pair of pliers, but get A's in their classes. Other people are very creative and solve real problems well, but struggle with the engineering classes no matter how hard they work at it. I'm the ladder. I'll design something and draw it up with ease or find a solution to a given real world problem, but when you tell me to find the delta on that statically indeterminant member, its gonna take me a while.
Correlation is correct. Causality is questionable. But if you got accepted and are able to graduate - its hard to distinguish later if your higher wages are caused by the natural abilities you had before college, or by smth that you acquired there. Don't forget that networking is getting ever more important in many fields, and going to college is also a pass into those networks that get your more job opportunities and make it easier to advance your career. Its how it should be, if everyone who got in graduated, there wouldn't be much value to going to college, since it wouldn't sort people into smart/hardworking and otherwise.
Hello Mr. Ladder. Nice to meet you. I'm wondering if you're interested in trading two of your d's for two of my t's. I do believe this will be beneficial to you in the future.
You are aware that a couple of good universities will give your full tuition scholarships, you just have to be accepted?
How about this point of view: I contribute SOME of the horse**** economy to the amount of people with massive massive student loan debt.
You sir don't even know what field I work in and furthermore know nothing of what licenses I have and what I had to go through to get them. I'd like you to keep that in mind when you quote my posts. Also I don't see the financial planning field going anywhere but up with the amount of baby boomers starting to die off. Good try though.
