The only point I want to make is that something needs to be done about guns in this country. Absolute banning of guns is nigh impossible, NRA, hunters, gun nuts, etc, would freak the F out if anyone tried taking their guns. I never claimed to have the answer just throwing my .02 in. And btw Bobby Gang-Banger isn't the one emptying two clips on a college classroom, or rampaging through a school CS style dominating helpless school mates. The guns used in those types of crimes are almost ALL bought over the counter, by "responsible" gun owners.
Why is it always beer bellied wife beaters who hate change or anything different and they want to stay ignorant, fat, dumb, drunk, and gun-toting while destroying the future for their kids? I am at least socially conscious enough to want to make some kind of societal change for the better. We all know its impossible to ban guns in America but its worth exploring other solutions to the problem. Political Parties can kiss my a$$.
I'd rather do this experiment in Edina, it'd be a lot more interesting. I'd probably get pulled over instantaneously though. :laugh:
^^^^ america dosnt have a gun problem, we have a stupid people problem, and guess what? every country on earth has this problem. in fact if you are trying to find a solution to violence, get rid of the entire human population :roll: also, if there werent crazy *******s killing people everywhere this planet would be elbow to elbow with people, there are bigger issues at hand.
Define assault rifle. Using the legal definition (which catches quite a few weapons you wouldn't think of), probably more than you think. Is thsi aimed at the AK-47 thing? These type of weapons are extremely tightly regulated (but not banned, though aquisition of new ones is) and the very few crimes commited with these types of weapons speaks to thier effectiveness.
Bump for news. http://www.channel3000.com/news/16108134/detail.html A college student at Madison called 911 but the police never responded or called back because they were busy. Her fiance found her beaten and stabbed body when he came home. The police don't help you. They just show up to take pictures. Would a gun have helped her? Maybe, maybe not. But the government sure didn't. In the end, like during Katrina, you are responsible for yourself.
Whoa, someone's ass is going to be in a sling over that one..... That's terrible. I agree, I refuse to rely on the police's response time to save me if my life is in danger. -Steve
More people die as a result of illegally owned gun crime like robberies and such. School shootings account for what? Maybe 20 deaths a year on the high mark average? The rest of gun deaths are caused by criminals doing crime which involves guns, not snapping because someone pants them in gym class.
It's moral and social issue week here at MnSubaru. Tune in next week for philosophical and theological debates. Seriously though, guns and "styles" of guns aren't the big issue here. Its the people behind them. Are we gonna ban all porn on the internet because Mike and Mindy cannot keep little Johnny from looking at it? Also, assault rifle bans are a lame attempt at making control lobbyists feel better. I can take my trusty Ruger 10/22, file down one little part and all of a sudden it is a fully auto rifle. I can legally get all kind of cool parts to make it look like something that John Rambo would carry around. Fully automatic firearms are illegal and should be. That doesn't mean you can keep me or anyone else from acquiring one. I'd like to know what percentage of our population dies every year to gun crimes. How do we stack up against everyone else in the world? There are plenty of countries where thousands of people die monthly due to guns. It all comes down to how free do you want to be? We all love our freedom and how much we can do. How would we feel if all of a sudden the government decided that it was phasing out premium fuel since most of the vehicles that use it aren't that fuel efficient?
No, lets not get into philisophical and/or theological debates, I think many of us would end up stabbing ourselves in the eyes with blunt objects.
Me too, if someone breaks into my house, I'm not going to rely on the cops to come save my sorry ass.
my brother inlaw once had a dream that he went around killing people with a screwdriver... when he tells the story he gets this glint in his eye and says... AND I WAS GOOOOOOD AT IT... he is s guy who wouldn't hurt anyone.. he is a paramedic and firefighter cause all he wants to do is help people... but I started a Nationwide petition to get screwdrivers banned from our country... needless to say.. doors fell of the buildings, all the things that needed to be tightend fell apart.. that's why they shipped me here...
you cant hide, taras is on a rampage to get screwdrivers banned over here too, also beer, breasts, and the internal combustion engine
Yeah, and why is it every grab at freedom revolves around "safety" or "children?" I know what we need to do... Just like guns cause crime, speed kills. Since 65 is safer than 70, 35 must be safer than 65. And hey, 5 mph is even safer! Oh, wait, most bumpers are only rated for 5 mph against a stationary object. Two 5 mph cars have a 10 mph closing speed. Gotta cut the limit to 2.5 mph. And since 95% of all accidents happen within 30 miles from home, every person is required to drive at least 30 miles from home no matter where they want to go. If we do both things, I think we'll see auto fatalities drop across the country. And even better, there'll be no more deer collisions!
Good job on ignoring the rest of my post. -_- If anything that was the flip side of Bikerwriter's panty-bunching socialist post. Hell I would tote a gun too if I weren't graced with this wonderful gift, last thing I need is to get pulled over and shot 50 times. But then again I don't need to do anything to get gunned down, I just gotta be in the nastiest part of MPLS looking like I have a gun. Talk about generalizations.
True but there's huge issues with cell phone 911s. Even if here phone was e911 equiped, that system is buggy. Also, i'd bet they get some hang-up calls from 911 from phones in pockets and what not, which is a big reason why I still have a landline (that and an apartment buzzer) Also, if she wasn't able to talk on her cell phone, she's not going to have time to whip out the gun. Comapred with the rest of the 1st world we're pretty bad, I believe. (Comparing us to the Congo which has basically no government isn't exactly fair) Murder rate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate (Yes, its wikipedia, but it's well cited)
911 on a cell has saved people before, a kidnapped girl in the back of a car, dials 911 a few times on silent mode. She is tracked, and found. But I am sure the pranks outweigh stories like that. Which is really sad.
Its a huge problem for overtaxed 911 departments. I think they should respond to every 911 call and if there's not an emergency, someone gets arrested anyhow.
That's fine, but police departments could put a little more effort into advertising the non-emergency police number. It is surprisingly difficult to find in our local phone book (we had to use it for some vandalism to our property).
Suck it. Hard. - http://www.cdc.gov/MMWR/preview/mmwrhtml/00046149.htm The criminal ignorance and selfishness around this issue is without peer. It's laughable how so many have masturbatory fantasies about acting out a vigilante Dirty Harry-esque scenario. The mere possession of a firearm will not make a person invincible and it will not provide any guarantee that they will be able to dictate the outcome of a hostile situation in their favor. Claims to the contrary are spurious at best and remain undocumented by any credible source. "Yeahbut, I know how to use a gun and...blah, blah, blah". For the militia-man lot - Red Dawn was a movie, from the 80s, it was horrible and starred Patrick Swayze who was a dancer, not a fighter. We're not going to be invaded. If you're the separatist type that thinks forfeiting your guns to the government will allow them to turn on the public the joke is on you - they already have and your guns didn't do a damn thing to help you. Sure, many "traditional" firearms can be converted to something more destructive - you're never going to be able to control that. I have that very 10/22 with said "mod" and black pistol grip stock and suppressor and high-capacity mags. That is a moot point. Case in point, my sweet sawed-off pump pellet gun for da skwirlz. The simple point that people skip right over is that there is no practical reason for as many and/or certain types of firearms to be available to the ordinary Joe. The "freedom" blather is akin to small children screaming "...Mine..." and then summarily bawling into their blanket because their sibling took their sippy cup. A true hunter/plinker/enthusiast should be able to have as much fun with a with a bolt-action or low-capacity semi-auto "hunting" rifle as can be had with a high-capacity semi-auto "military-style" rifle (as much as I covet thee). People seem incapable or unwilling to segregate needs versus wants on this topic. It doesn't need to be an all-or-nothing outcome - there is a middle-ground that most reasonable people should be amenable too that results in continued gun ownership/use, increased monitoring/licensing/training/awareness and, most importantly, a decline in gun related deaths. I'm not aware of errant screwdrivers, Chinese throwing-stars, machetes or baseball bats killing people blocks away or through house walls. Stabbing or beating someone to death is a personal investment. Shooting someone is cowardly outside of the context of war or self-defense. The former of which is what it is and the latter of which is best afforded by a shotgun. Period. Fewer guns = fewer gun related deaths. More guns = more gun related deaths. This is not subject to debate or negotiation - practical or theoretical. It is an undeniable fact - people can't be shot by guns that don't exist. It is utterly pathetic how many people maintain a blind, zealous priority on the theoretical (the highly unlikely scenario where a) you are faced with a situation begging of a firearm for self-defense, b) you actually have practical easy access to said firearm loaded and ready to party, and c) you are actually able to use it as intended (see Dirty Harry wet dream sequence above)) over the reality which is we have way too many people dying from gunfire - most of which is fired from handguns and high-capacity rifles not Marlin 30-30s or your favorite bird guns. /rant. As you were.
That study is interesting. Asked because I didn't know, not because I was trying to make an argument, which would be a fallacy The only thing I question is other country's data collection for these things. Kuwiat being on the bottom seems odd to me. I'm not denying that we probably have a much higher rate of firearm deaths in this country comapred to others. Many many irrresponsible parents with firearms laying around who fail to educate their children. I had acess to our gun cabinet since I was about ten, but my father educated me and brought me along hunting before I could carry. I knew the dangers of firearms at a very early age. The main point I try to get at is the blatant irresponsibility of people in this country. The government needs to protect ourselves from ourselves, which makes me sick. I wish I could put more faith into the intelligence of our people, but thats really not possible.
100% True!!!!! I dont know if there is a statement that I agree with more. There is so much safety BS going on in the US, it is unbelievable. Everyone is sue happy and it results in a pathetic world built for 3 year olds. I was over in Finland over the last summer and went to a fortress island there. I saw 1 (one, uno, uksi, ichi, 1) sign on the ENTIRE ISLAND that was a safety warning about a rickity stir case. Other than that there were no signs about "Danger: Cliff", "Danger: Wet Rocks", ect... If this were in the US there would have been atleast 1000 safety signs and about 300 miles of chain link fence to keep people away from potentially dangerous things like a coffee maker. I say we get rid of all the stupid common sense warning, and let natural selection take place.
