TD06H 20G (SBR) on a 2.5L

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  1. Michael48
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    Got it.
    A.Weld or hold the wastegate flap shut
    B. Plumb the EWG to avoid noise
    C. Tune
     
  2. wall of tvs
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    You got it.
     
  3. putz
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    Any word on your tune?

    From what I hear the 06 wrx closed loop open loop throws alot of tuners a loop.

    I'm still looking for a brief explanation of what this "cloed loop/ open loop" deal is.
     
  4. Bullwinkle
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    It shouldn't; the OL/CL delay stuff is the same on the 06-07 WRX as it is on any other 32bit ECU. Only thing that may throw tuners off is the scissor timing caused by the Timing Comp Intake Temp B table (thats what romraider calls it, at least).

    Here's the technical explanation of the OL/CL delay.

    In short, OL/CL is basically a difference between multiple map values when driving. The closed loop has specific set singular values for fueling, which are used when the closed loop conditions are met (typically low throttle cruising situations). Open loop has fueling numbers for all RPM and load values that the car sees, so is used when you are on throttle and in higher load situations. The major problem with the stock ROM is that there is a delay between this transition, so if you quickly pound on the throttle, fueling stays in closed loop (lean) for a period of time, even when the car is making a lot of torque/power.
     
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    Yeah, the scissor timing was really pissing me off back when I got my '06. I was sooooooooooo happy once a fix was found for it.
     
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    wall of tvs ftl
     
  7. putz
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    Thanks!:biggrin:
     
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    This is like a bad episode of the twighlight zone, I drove the car from shoreview to Fobia's in Newport and was on a 20psi map and the wastegate worked fine. Im puzzled as to what could have happened.
     
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    It sounds like the waste gate was fine it just needed a new selenoid/spring.

    I got the numbers for my car! :biggrin:

    Max TQ @ 4100rpms of 319

    Max hp of 315 @ 6500rpms

    18.5psi tappers to 16psi

    Powerband from 4100 to 6500rpm

    I'm getting a estimate for a custom Transmission next

    EWG will be added next when I have some gauges added like the boost, egt and Oil temp?

    I'm picking my car up @ 5pm I'm bringing my new Perrin Air Filter to do a couple last pulls on the dyno for the final numbers (the old filter had a hole I fixed but I over oiled the filter :roll: does the filters need oil? on mx bikes they always did, maybe not so much oil on car filters i guess?
     
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    PROGRESS on the kid #3?

    nice numbers!

    Wow, my tune there peak 21.4 psi tapers to 16, 296 whp at 6,100 rpm, and 352 wtq at 3,800 rpm, on 91 oct pump, I like your numbers more!
     
  11. Bullwinkle
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    Nice. Congrats, I'm glad they were able to quick fix the actuator. Let's see a graph, sounds like it'll be a fun car!
     
  12. Ronnie@RSmotors
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    I had to replace the whole actuator with a different one. Its a little softer spring, but I modified it to get 13 psi on the gate.
     
  13. putz
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    wow, my 20g hit peak boost by 3750 rpm...
     
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    What are the specs on your 20g, just wondering Dave?
     
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    td06 8cm 20g, 14 psi spring internaly gated, header, up pipe and down pipe wraped, perrin ebcs
     
  16. Ronnie@RSmotors
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    Michael can upgrade to a stiffer spring later on if you wants to. This is the only option I have at the time or wait a few days for an actuator. Age and wheel design will also make a difference on spool up. This is where the HTA stuff kicks ass.
     
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    no joke? I think right around 300hp is perfect! no reason to change that spring yet!:biggrin:
     
  18. 03subyR
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    Wow, nice numbers. Congrats. Have you driven the car yet?:biggrin:
     
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    i think he was going to pick it up at 5...
     
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    So I've got 10 minutes to get down there and swap out a few parts?

    g2g
     
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    now your too late shibbs
     
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    #3 isn't here yet ^ soon i hope :biggrin:

    The car is fun 3rd gear pulls like crazy I haven't really pulled it past 5000rpms yet so still another 1500 R to go.

    The darn APS B.O.V. won't open :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: it sounds like a rattle snake shaking it tail every time I let of the gas quick anywhere above 2500rpm. WTF :mad::mad::mad::mad:

    It driving me crazy. So I think the spring must be to stiff? Ron helped me we screw the bolt out all the way and it still goobles like a dang turkey. I will buy a sti 05' or newer B.O.V. if anyone has one Today Cash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Could someone help me install even though its proable really easy.

    I'm going to sell the APS Bov as long as it can be fixed and use able to the new buyer. I'm going to check with Motarsarus first he had dibs on it. otherwise it for sale I think it needs a lighter spring.
     
  23. Bullwinkle
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    ..Or you could just put the stock BPV back on. No retuning necessary.
     
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    Will it work? I asked Ron and he said it won't work unless he miss understood me? It will fit the perring intercooler fine? no issues with boost being higher?
     
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    I don't see why it wont work. Its not like your running 20 plus psi.
     
  26. Ronnie@RSmotors
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    It will probably work. I just noticed the gasket style was different on the inter cooler but I didn't try putting it back on.
     
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    It'll work. Paper gasket vs rubber gasket. SHOULD both be compatible.

    Or else I've got a SARD you could buy. ;)
     
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    I made my gasket out of refrigeration gasket material, and I cut it to shape then used some rtv to ensure the seal....

    I got more gasket material if you wanna try to cut your own!
     
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    Ron came to my house and fixed it for me Bump for R S Motors saved the day, Thanks Ron for going the extra mile (about 37 one way) :biggrin:
     
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    RS MOTORS,

    "They will drive to your crib to fix your **** (if they like you)"

    I heart Ronnie,

    Ronnie, will you be my Valintine?
     
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    Wheres my flowers?

    I didn't mind the drive. I had to put some miles on the other project car and it was the perfect drive for it.
     
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    flower are teh ghey.... I got you chocolates!!!

    lolz
     
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    Thanks Ron ^ It's alot of fun to drive now. I'll need to spend more money at R S now after all this great service/Tune :biggrin:

    Putz I guess it not meant to be ^ :laugh:
     
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    2nd gear pulls past 65mphhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    Now that I can go to 6500 rpms

    It pulls like crazy from 4 to 6.5K :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

    The turbo is really easy to hear spool and when you really get going it is spining so fast.

    Everyone with a 2.5 needs a 20G (Must Have)

    I going to have R S do a EWG Next and some Gauges (Defi)

    Next year a custom 5 spd Transmission the gears are perfect I won't want them much shorter maybe a 6spd swap I'll have to see what is the best for performance and Quality.
     
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    That's awesome! Ron's a good guy, RS FTW!
     
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    I had more fun last night and this morning on the way to work.

    I would like to go to some classes to learn driving tech?

    Where is a good track? Brainerd?

    1.I have some new to me/Used tires.

    2. I was thinking the cobb lowering springs could help?

    3.Mounts for Engine Group “Nâ€
    4.Transmission Group “Nâ€
    5.Pitch stop, Group “N†from Morries

    6.Turn in Concepts "Katboy anti clunk killer" and
    7. Rear carrier bushings from “Turn in Concepts
    http://www.turninconcepts.com/produc...roducts_id=166
    Thanks Paul Revere
     
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    Look into an anti-lift kit, too. That'll help turn-in.
     
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    I had more fun last night and this morning on the way to work.

    I would like to go to some classes to learn driving tech?

    Where is a good track? Brainerd?

    1.I have some new to me/Used tires.

    2. I was thinking the cobb lowering springs could help?

    3.Mounts for Engine Group “Nâ€
    4.Transmission Group “Nâ€
    5.Pitch stop, Group “N†from Morries

    6.Turn in Concepts "Katboy anti clunk killer" and
    7. Rear carrier bushings from “Turn in Concepts
    http://www.turninconcepts.com/produc...roducts_id=166
    Thanks Paul Revere

    PLUS + Anti-lift kit

    ^ what Brand where to buy?
     
  39. 03subyR
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    You should think about autox. MNautox.com has the schedule and rules, it will teach you basic car handling technique. They also have driving school for beginers.
     
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    Get a look at least at www.fastwrx.com. Not sure the best place to buy - all I know is fastwrx isn't blocked at my work. lol
     
  41. TSTRBOY2004
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    talk to Mushashi or Idget about driving stuff... resident gurus
     
  42. Shibbs
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    Mushashi will have you lean towards oversteer tho. :laugh::laugh:
     
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    I got my used summer tires from Mushashi, I'll have to talk to him, as for the suspension install TSTRBOY2004 is the man.