There's always room for a turbo. There just wont be room for a turbo that relates to the current EJ series way of doing things. The engine is moved aft, which eats the space between engine and firewall where the turbo normally sits for an EJ. You will just have to do like alot of transverse I4 motors do, and mount the turbo forward of the engine somehow. If the new engine's dimensions and mount points are anything like the EJ2XX series motors are, you can expect the modding community (the ones that don't just bolt stuff on and call it a day) to figure out where to shove an EJ257 and a large frame turbo into this. I would love to see some tech specs on the 2.0L they are putting in there. If the block itself is built like the EJ207/257, there's no reason you can get some custom rods and pistons to lower compression to a boost friendly 8-9:1 ratio and start making big power. I guess I'd have to see the engine bay before passing judgement. But if you are making frowny faces because the car didn't come factory turbo'd, then you aren't a gear head.
Also, the Subaru one looks WAY better than the Scion one. But I don't expect any less from a Scion branded car...gaping, body kit looking mouth, lots of swoopy parts and other idiot business.
Do you have any idea how light 2700 lbs is for a modern car. That's 100lbs lighter than a GC8 coupe. They were never going to hit their 2500lb limit in this day and age. And to suggest it was utter foolishness with all the safety shell and crash-worthyness they have to build into cars these days, you will be hard pressed to find a full shell sports coupe under 2700lbs.
When I look at the Scion pics the seats really remind me of my 2009 WRX seats. It really looks like they just took the red stitching right from Subaru on this one. Jalopnik Story and Pics
I agree it was foolish of them to suggest this, however it was possible and still may be with the removal of enough crap. I'm more disappointed in the fact of cost. $25k isn't really that cheap especially when compared to the cost of the original AE86 at the time. (even with inflation this is a more expensive car) There could have been a NA Scion and a turbo Subaru. But unfortunately they decided against it. I actually like what i've seen of the car however, I feel they fell short of the "reincarnation" they were striving for. I'd rather buy another 85-87 corolla GTS strip it down to 1800lbs drop a new (N/A) motor and have fun. Just saying.
Yeah the newest Legacy's have the turbo mounted up front right off the header. Not sure if there's room for a "production" turbo model. But as a high compression EJ descendant, I wouldn't expect a boosted stock block to last long... and you know that's going to happen. I'm expecting turbo kits and blown motors within 2 months of release. TRD supercharger would be great to see tho. Either way I'm also waiting to see cutaways and specs. Not really. At least not in a production model and not without bringing that price point that you're already bitching about higher. It already comes with cheap cloth minimalist interior and what looks like plastic in many areas throughout the car. The interior isn't lotus exige territory, but look at the stripped down stereo, lack of auto climate control, lack of nav, etc... Speaking of the exige, that's a realistic example of price point versus weight in today's market considering emissions standards, crash test standards, and price of composite materials. I like it for what it is and I think a $25kish price point it fair. I also like that with a few exceptions (the rtards expecting a sub 30k supercar), you can make it what you really want it to be. Anyway, I want to see it do well. Not wrx well tho.. because SOA will go and **** it up and keep the same old tired ass engine in it for 15 years and never make any significant updates beyond styling lol
25,000 for a RWD sports coupe is entirely fair if you look at its competition in the marketplace. It's going up against the Hyundai Genesis Coupe. What other FR 4 bangers do you see running around these days? It's priced entirely where it should be. 25K is about WRX territory, and 200hp to 2700lbs vs 230hp to 3200lbs, I think you're coming out ahead on this one. Idget nailed it. This isn't a sub-30k super car. It's a budget sports coupe. Sure, it doesn't come factory turbo'd. Big deal. Modding and engine tech is what sets your car apart from some knucklehead with a fart can and pretty air filter. Turbo the car yourself, I am willing to bet that either the piston diameter or rod length (guessing diameter) is going to be the same as the current 2.0L EJ20, so odds are, a set of aftermarket pistons will be easy to find, and a set of rods, you could have your motor turbo ready for not alot of scratch. And a turbo setup wont be hard to setup. With all the fabricators and AM manufacturers working on turbo kits for it, someone will make an alternative that gets you your big boost for not alot of money.
Being disappointed isn't bitching, jus sayin. I don't expect a sub 30k supercar. I just would have liked to see less weight or like 30 more HP. I'm not a glutton for high HP cars anyways. If that were the case I wouldn't have had three AE86s in the past. I would love to see this thing a little lighter a splash more power and ITBs. Bottom line, you guys have your opinions and I respect that, but mine differs and I would hope even though they differ I could ask the same of you.
I'm not disrespecting your opinion as you're implying. I'm disagreeing with your assertion that it's possible for this car, in the US market, in this day and age, and as a production model budget sports car, to hit sub 2500lbs. The second paragraph of my previous response was not directed at you. What is it about the (unverified) $25k price point that disappoints you, then? I know your love for responsive, lightweight NA cars, and based on past conversations with you I know you understand the difference between peak power numbers and power delivery. I'm interested to see how your opinions of this car change after you've driven one. Anyway I could see picking one of these up a few years down the road depending on aftermarket support, how it performs in the real world, and depreciation lol. No way I'd be an early adopter though. For ~25k? It's a fair price but personally I'd rather pick up a c5 z06, a miata, and a welder.
My apologies, I didn't mean for that to sound like I felt you were being disrespectful. I guess it comes down to bang for buck. How unrealistic it may be I'd actually consider buying one for $20k, 5k more may not sound like a huge jump but it is a 25% increase. I will definitely be test driving one as soon as its in the dealership so I'll have to get back to you after that. On another note I'll have to do some more digging before I can totally rule out wether or not they could of she'd some more weight. A couple of things that come to mind are the rims and unnecessary back seat. Though it could end up being like the WRX and only weigh 5lbs.
Miata would be a better comparison IMO or a Mini even though it's FWD but I agree, 25K for what you are getting is pretty damn good when you look at the other cars in the same segment. I can't wait to drive one. Practicality, no back seat doesn't get you that. The car comes with 17 inch rims with 215 tires. I can't imagine they weigh a lot. I'm sure you could get lighter but that will no doubt cost more. Like everything, there's a trade off.
Looks like the Porsche Cayman was the intended comparison. Tall order but it sounds like it does well! http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1112_2013_subaru_brz/index.html
While I can't speak to the review of how it drives. I can say that the description of what a sports car should be is spot on. This isn't a numbers car, it's not a drag strip car, it's a handling car, and you drive it because you like to drive on the road or road track. If you are thinking of this car as your next 500hp drag strip queen, you should look elsewhere. And the last bit he said, about it needing a convertible top, is spot on. I would 100% be purchasing one if that were the case.
I am at the point now that if I'm going to buy another toy car, I want to be able to put the top down and cruise. The option currently on the table is a Z roadster. If Subaru offered this in roadster form, I would buy it for sure.
some clip of how the car looks like and how the inside look, it's going to be 6MT or 6auto and price in the 20,000 and up subaru BRZ http://youtu.be/eP3SR1m_aRY scion frs http://youtu.be/W73wacIIbg0
Top Gear test drives the BRZ - http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/subaru-brz-first-drive-review-2011-12-03
Found this on another Subaru related site. http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2011/11/2011-tokyo-auto-show-subaru-boxer-engines.html
Well, it sure looks like NOTHING will be compatible with the current platform. This design is just begging for a FMIC and reversed intake manifold. I don't even know why it has a TMIC in the first place.... Also, top mounted oil filter?
^based on the bellhousing and sign that's the 1.6t hybrid cvt wagon motor no? They can go ahead and bring the exhaust piping over to the DI2.0, but I hope they don't put this motor in the brz.
Engine looks exactly like the new 2.5 and 2.0, oil filter on top, ect. This will be the new powerplant setup for the wrx, or anything else they want to turbo in the future.
http://wot.motortrend.com/subaru-confirms-turbocharged-version-of-brz-engine-143015.html There you go, dry your eyes.
Some more information.....I can't believe I'm actually considering buying a new car, but I will be visiting dealers quite a bit as these begin to show up! Some more information on them. Side-by-side comparison of the Scion and Subaru versions. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2998 And very in-depth technical look at the suspension and drivetrain. I'm extremely happy to hear 5x100 and interchangeable brakes. http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles/id/2313/a-tech-look-under-the-scion-fr-s.aspx Also, using this picture: And knowing that those are 18" wheels. Those front brake rotors appear to be 276mm....Which for those of you who don't have your subaru brake rotor sizes memorized, are commonly referred to as the RS brakes (smallest dual-piston fronts), which SHOULD mean 15s would clear them.
The only line that went wrong there for me is the silver trim on the rear tail lights. I would have no problem buying one of those if it made sense for me.
a few very interesting threads on the FT86 board: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3981 http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4242
That's exactly my line of thought. I was considering trading in the WRX for a sporty convertible, like a Z or S2K, last summer and keeping the beater for the winter. If Subaru made a drop-top version, I would be extremely tempted to trade up. Turbo is nice, but better gas mileage is even nicer in my older years. I have a motorcycle for my power kicks. Here's some pics I took of the one at the auto show. The Subaru rep was actually somewhat knowledgeable, and she let me sit in it and popped the hood.
Huh.....just found this: lifetime powertrain warranty? O RLY? They might regret that if I get one....
^Hahahaha..."it's huggy". Lifetime free car washes too! That makes it worth pre-ordering for sure. He should have worn cargo shorts and a flat brimmed hat instead of the suit. lullz
Now this, I would buy this TODAY: http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...lexus-is-f-power-sounds-outrageous-video.html The is-f I test drove was a ton of fun. That motor in this chassis? yes plz
Yeah, Sheen, but that is in Japan. Here you would get the Scion version. The engine bay will be cluttered with neon lights and the test of the car will be littered with Scion "car lifestyle" faggotry. It wouldn't be nearly as cool.
drift cars "handle" pretty damn well in terms of driver feedback and precision. The extra forward weight could pretty easily be accounted for in a consumer model... like by relocating pretty much anything to the worthless rear seat.
