Does anyone have a technological reason, to explain to my cousin, that buying and paying for the install of a T3T4 turbo kit on his '04 neon sxt (2.0), is a bad idea? My argument was that he was born retarded, apparently that wasn't enough to drop the idea. So, I told him I'd ask the much more knowledgable people on this site for input. Any given would be appreciated.
I'd start with the fact that he can pretty much buy a used turbo car for the same price once he's done fumbling around to get it working properly.
I say go for it, if he wants to put the time and money into a car HE LIKES let him do it. Sure he should probably get a better platform to start off with, but if he already likes his car let him modify it however he wants. Side note, has he looked into a salvage SRT4 donor car? Not sure how hard they are to do and engine swap, I know nothing about neons. But it might be worth looking into
Well actually it's not all that bad, he should run e85 sine he will have higher compression that a srt4 and e85 loves high compression, also he should invest in WIDE and STICKY tires
Guys, you are all missing the point. Modifying a Neon is just an embarrassment to the driver. Yes some SRT4's are very very fast. But a typical neon looks terrible and is slow. End of story.
Guys, you are all missing the point. Modifying a Neon is just an embarrassment to the driver. Yes some SRT4's are very very fast. But a typical neon looks terrible and is slow. End of story. My point exactly.
Just do this. Putting a turbo on a neon would be a huge waste of money. You either end up with a slow car that runs like ****, or you do it right and spend way too much for a 13 second FWD car. If he's just gotta have a neon, get an SRT4. It will be faster and cheaper.
google search first hit http://dodgeforum.com/forum/2nd-gen-neon/70458-2nd-gen-turbo-thread-updated.html
I have a couple of friends who are into neon, and 3 of then have the non-SRT4 ones that are turbo'd. they are not that bad. He just needs to do it right though. one has a full rebuild and the other 2 have SRT swaps.
even after reading their forum, i dont know much about the neon vs. srt4 but the bodies are the same are they not? if he wants to dump this much money into his car maybe he should look at srt4s? It seems that turboing the neons isnt hard, but sounds like if you want to make good power that rebuilding the engine is needed, they said 250 tq max on stock bottom end? believe me its hard to try and tell people things, best thing to do is to sit back let it happen and if your right, you can sit back in the glory of being right. let people have the projects they want, its not your project, or your money so oh well.
Meh. You have a point. But it's also your legal responsibility as this guys friend to talk him out of turbocharging a basic neon. No part of that car can handle the power. Everything would have to be done. Therefore, he needs a new car haha.
By your reasoning, no one on here should be modifying their stock Subaru. No part of these cars are meant to handle more than stock power.
I would disagree with you on that. The engines do just fine on Stage 2 setups. Usually. I mean, most of the time, anyway.
Locally, I can think of a little under a dozen broken ej255/257s, all at or around stage 2. Several more at higher power than that. But yes, I chose my words deliberately by saying "meant to"
There are a select few subies that are freaks of nature, my car is one of these. However, you dumbasses havent learned that turbo cars usually use SOME oil, and dont ever check it, thats why you roast motors, it takes 1 minute tops to do it. Subaru makes great cars, no doubt, but they aren't idiot proof, and you people prove that all the time.
I thought they became freaks when they get bit by the Warecar, or a Vampcar, or just grow a 3 foot mohawk and pierce thier front lip spoiler and hate the world.
freaks of nature are usually crazy ugly missunderstood things like frankenstein or the platypus. ooooooor your subaru as you say? So your car could be the platypus.
False, the difference between modifying an already turbocharged car vs. taking a N/A car and slapping on a turbo is COMPLETELY different. Obviously parts need to be changed on both setups but you can't honestly say that he can turn it into a turbo neon as easily as we can switch up our setup a bit. And.... our factory tunes leave a ton of room for more power because they want a better CHANCE at having our cars make it to 60,000 miles or so without breaking. Therefore, many parts on our cars are meant to handle more power, but they use them so they last forever on cars with less power.
You brought up "legal obligation." The only party with any legal obligation is the manufacturer, who by your admission, releases cars well within their means. Anything above and beyond that is not safe in their terms and they are held accountable for failures. Again, no Subaru is "meant to" be modified. Just like you think the N/A neon isn't "meant to" be turbo charged. Yes, you "can" do whatever the hell you want to either car. Stop being an elitist and let the kid enjoy the car. I'm sure he'll learn more about cars by going out and building something on his own than by picking his ass sitting on an internet forum debating why his car is superior to all others.
I'm curious, do neons with turbos use oil too? Can you run one with low oil and not have the same problems?
Just seen way too many people blow all their money and slap a turbo on a 2 liter engine and end up with 200hp. It's a huge mistake most of the time.
Yes stock 2.0 with supporting mods. Im aware that at some point ill get the inevitable rod knock hence why im building a built, 2.2t
