^^^As far as the ralliart/evo wrx/sti thing the "new" ralliarts are indeed a baby evo x much more than the ralliarts from a few years back. For the original question the STi is better cause that's what I have in my garage. I love things about both of them and ultimately they are both just cars.
How do you figure? The Ralliart is to the Evo what the WRX is to the STI; a detuned version made to appeal more to the general public. The RA has the same engine as the Evo, just a smaller turbo and smaller intercooler; possibly milder cams too, I can't recall. It is also missing a lot of the Evo-specific suspension components just like the WRX compared to the STI.
^this I'm guessing unhguy is unfamiliar with the newer iteration of the ralliart. The old ralliart used to be what the 2.5i/2.5RS is to the STi, no?
Correct. The old rallyart were like the 2.5. I didn't see the details on the new rallyart, but I recall them never having numbers close to a WRX or STI. When did they get a turbo?
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews..._lancer_sportback_ralliart-first_drive_review Did some reading. Looks like the 2010 rallyart is nothing like a WRX. It is still slow.
The lancer Ralliart has a 2.0-liter, 237-horsepower, 253 ft/lbs, MIVEC turbo engine, 6-speed Twin-Clutch Sportronic® Shift Transmission (TC-SST), All Wheel Control (AWC) full-time all-wheel drive system, Active Center Differential with Tarmac/Gravel/Snow settings. This taken from Mitsubishi Motor's website. http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/lancer/10/trims.do?loc=en-us#trimsAndPacksTab The GTS is the one with 168 HP 2.4L, The others (DE, ES) have a 152 HP 2.0L Doesn't seem too shabby compared to what they used to have.
I'm curious how many people that "know" which car (evo/sti)is better have actually driven one or both of them.
This why i refered to Jeremy Clarkson (Top gear) first page ....he seems to have reasonable unbiased judgement.
I know nothing. I have never been in either model while it was moving. I sat in a EVO X once. Been around EVOs and STIs at Autox and RallyX events. Both seemed very fast in the hands of a good driver. I think trying to make drag cars out of either is a bit silly - no offense Fobia or anyone else. I like cats. The ones that go meow.
I was looking on my phone, but this is what i looked for. VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 5-door wagon PRICE AS TESTED: $28,310 (base price: $28,310) ENGINE TYPE: turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, aluminum block and head, port fuel injection Displacement: 122 cu in, 1998cc Power (SAE net): 237 bhp @ 6000 rpm Torque (SAE net): 253 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm TRANSMISSION: 6-speed dual-clutch automated manual DIMENSIONS: Wheelbase: 103.7 in Length: 180.4 in Width: 69.4 in Height: 59.7 in Curb weight (C/D est): 3600 lb PERFORMANCE (C/D EST): Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec (vs. 4.8 WRX 09') Standing ¼-mile: 14.5 sec (vs. 13.5 WRX 09') Top speed (governor limited): 144 mph FUEL ECONOMY: EPA city/highway driving: 17/25 mpg I am just saying that is a big difference,
yes I apologize I was referring to the last generation not the new 2010 ones. the old rallyarts are exactly what was said, what the 2.5rs is to the STi. mits realized that they had to compete with subaru in an extremely similar market and came out with the new rallyarts and thus gave it a turbo and better components, now equivalent to a wrx which is now equivalent to the sti which arguably is equivalent to the evo.....so by this i'm gonna conclude that: it doesn't matter which one you get, you'll love it like it was your child no matter what
They are both just cars, I was going to answer "the subaru community", and I mostly still believe that. It is kind of disheartening when a mod fires off so often, but that is how forums work in general, why should we be any different? My next best answer is I love the GD sti. It is however just a sentimental favorite. The way I would classify Mopar muscle cars. There is really no reason one is much better than the other.
Back before I owned my Subaru and was actually more of an Evo fan I remember car and drivers take on the two. They were both pretty equal but in the end they decided that the Evo felt easier to drive whereas you had to learn to drive it. I have only driven an Evo once and for a short time so I have no idea myself.... On a side note (if we want to discuss non-STi) the biggest reason I bought my WRX was because it was in my price range whereas the STi and Evo were just a bit over what I wanted to spend.Subaru deserves points for having a car between the Impreza and the STi , with Mitsu there was either the lancer (ugh) or the Evo. nothing in between. Theres my feel.
They're the same car. Argue all you want, but they're practically the same freaking thing. They both have their quirks and they both have slight edges over the other in certain categories. Discussions like this are frankly pointless unless someone with both an Evo and an STI can chime in. Otherwise, the average person shopping for these kinds of cars have to choose one or the other for finance's sake. The mockery of "I like Pepsi over Coke" is an extremely valid comparison to this sort of discussion. I personally like Coke because it has a more metallic taste to me. Would it prevent me from bying Pepsi? No, because it's the same thing as Coke, fundametally. My preference comes from a very slight favor in flavor. So, I prefer the Evo over the STI because of the styling and the fact that they seem to make better Tarmac cars, which is what I would want mine to do. However, a lot of bits from my WRX will cross over to an STI, plus I would know exactly what to look for if I were in the market for one. If I really had to make a purchase, I might need to go with STI because of familiarity. However, fundamentally, they're the same can of soda.
Stock vs Stock, they're completely different monsters. After driving both, IMO, the EVO is a more well balanced car compared to the STI. But of course, I like the Subaru more. Just a matter of preference.
You're wrong Josh...there's the Lancer OZ edition. Lol. I personally like both the STi and the EVO, but wouldn't want paddle shifters. I drove a Ferrari with paddle shifters and it felt too disconnected for me. Subaru has just always been my preference of the two.
Ok this whole PEPSI and COKE are the same thing it a bad example. That is like saying a angus burger and a ribeye are the same. A strip of bacon and pork chop are the same. A Perkins Steak and Manny's Steak are the same. Cub Food's Sushi and Saijai Sushi are the same. GUESS WHAT! They are not the same. They are similar, that share similar features, but that doesn't make them even close to the same. Which is what the EVO and STI are similar.... but please don't say they are the same. It is not like a Sable vs. Tauras (Ford/Mercury), Caravan vs. Town and Country (Dodge/Crystler).
They're the same... in that if I had one, I wouldn't want the other. Or if I had both, I'd better have at least 3 other fun cars to make up for the fact that I have 2 of the (mostly) same car.
Ok, on monday we will throw down and see who is right.... you just have to tie one arm behind your back and I get to use a bat!
2.5 BOXER: Sound, TQ, Turbo lag, Power gains, balance The 08 and up EVO is really heavy On the track the EVO wins but iv heard the STi's AWD system is better on snow, gravel ect.
What makes an STi better than an Evo? The fact that theres a badge on the front that has 6 stars on it and because they look amazing!
Look at Rally America's current overall standing. The top 2 cars are evos. a subaru and ford are tied for 3rd. I actually don't see much advantage in either car for rally. subaru's have better support here in the states as far as contingency money and parts availability but i wouldn't say the subaru is better. Keep in mind I operate #171 in Rally America competion so I do have a bit of perspective on it
I don't think the 8/9 did but the X does. Although the older Evos had a rear wiper which I wish my 05 sti did.
I think the sti blue interior is silly, but I like the center console better. All this subaru vs mitsu "community" thing...well I think those are pretty equal too. I'm pretty active on mitsustyle.com and they like to bs a lot, but overall the guys are super nice and will gladly lend you a hand any time you need. I haven't owned a dsm in years but a handful of guys still say hi and came up to talk with me at the db dyno day last saturday. I'm sure it'd be the same from the subaru community. I think I'm going to buy an evo in the near future just because they can be had for a few grand less than an sti and parts seem to be cheaper overall. People argue that dsms aren't reliable, but I disagree. dsm's are cheap and easy to mod, which, when done improperly make then unreliable. My dsm lasted me like 4 years of good solid happiness before I sold it, but my 2.5rs only lasted about 1 before the motor blew up. dsm = modded, 2.5rs = stock In conclusion: I chose evo because where I live there aren't as many evos as stis, they are cheaper to buy, cheaper to mod, easier to make power. I do feel that stis have a little more class and maybe seem like "ricey" just from the body style...idk just my opinion
