Who has the most powerful?

I was thinking the same thing :lol:

 

that 6-7k was for a full sti motor not just the bottom end, i should have specified

i have allready done research with axis, i was looking at the stage 3, with the stage 1 valvetrain, which would be about 4-5 grand shipped, now id still need it installed, and i would want it dont by a proffesional, which most shops are around $100 an hour, that still doesnt include the bolt ons and tranny, why do you guys not see this, im getting a frickin tranny, im not dumping 8 grand into pure horsepower

and im sorry if i dont type with perfect grammar, i type like its a conversation not a novel

 

It's alright, I was just joking around. I see where you want to go with this but unfortunately it's like the conversations with people trying to turbo their RS. They want an RS-T sooo bad but when you really think about it, it's easier to just buy a wrx or an sti and be set. But hey, good luck with your project and have fun doing it

 

It's alright, I was just joking around. I see where you want to go with this but unfortunately it's like the conversations with people trying to turbo their RS. They want an RS-T sooo bad but when you really think about it, it's easier to just buy a wrx or an sti and be set. But hey, good luck with your project and have fun doing it [/quote]

thank you, i was in the same boat when i owned my 2.5 rs, but i was going to do a full sti swap, did alot of research on turboing the stock motor and tranny, saw bad things, i do my research and i do alot of it, i dont just see a turbo on ebay for 400 bucks and go out **** i want that, glad to see one more person on these forums isnt an ass, brings the total up to about 7, kidding of course

 

Don't let the other guys get you down. If they didn't care about you, they'd just say go for it, spend all your money on whatever you want. But take their words as suggestions from people with experience. A lot of people here have done some stuff that yielded less that good results and now they're trying to help you spend your money wisely. I'm off to class, have a good afternoon

 

thanks you too

im all for constructive critisism, i do it all the time at importpost.com, the forums im usualy on... i guess i just get it in a jerky way because you guys dont know me, prolly think im some punk kid that just want more power more power, and mommy and daddy prolly bought my car, well ive owned 3 subarus, legacy, 2.5 rs, and now my wrx, im no newb to subarus, im still kind of new with the whole turbo thing, but im a fast learner and have learned alot in the past 8 months, ill never sacrafice quality for money, thats one thing, i always do my research before i buy something(besides the big16g on ebay, wow bad idea), not to be an asshole but if you guys werent nice and totally blew me off, it wouldnt be much to me at all, but i would like to be accepted by the other subaru guys in the area i live in, i know theres alot of assholes out there in every type of car, seems like ive met a few in subaru's in the past year, id rather be on a good note with everyone

 

Well, you type like someone that hasn't gotten through high school yet and your whole "Who has the fastest car here, cuz I think my car is going to be faster than urs whyn im done puttin 12000dollrz un it" attitude kinda goes along with that. Then you start telling people that " vf22 is a bad choice do sum research on it, anyways" with the kind of authority that I would expect to hear from a Subaru engineer (since they are the ones who picked that turbo for some of the fastest production Subarus ever made in the first place) and it is not too surprizing that some people have a hard time taking you too seriously.
Hey, its your money, your engine, your car... But don't be too terribly surprized when that open deck motor of yours blows up trying to push 170more horsepower than it was ever designed to put out. Then you will understand why anyone wanting to make serious power with a WRX choses to replace the engine block. At $3000 shipped my JDM engine came with a semi closed block, forged internals, sodium filled valves and an ECU that spins it to 8250RPM STOCK. Try reving your EJ20 to 8250 RPM and tell me what happens :lol:
I got the motor with everything else; turbo, intercooler, ECU, wiring harness, etc etc etc... All I have to do is slap a VF 22 in there and the stock ECU and stock injectors will support 400+crank HP. With a large enough turbo I could have myself a dyno queen making over 500horses, if huge power numbers out of tiny engines with no low end torque is really your thing...
Of course, you can build up your stock engine internals with some forged rods/pistons/crank... But then you will still have a weak block with poor flowing heads and a valvetrain that just wasn't designed to rev high, and by then you are spending well over what an STI engine would've cost you.
If your budget is really what you said it was (12000) then I stand by my statement that trying to build up the stock WRX motor to those power levels is stupid. Sell the whole thing on Ebay for 2grand with the ECU, pick up a used V6/7/8 STI motor and try making power with something that was actually designed as a race motor.
Hey... Just trying to help...

 

Agreed

 

My friend Parker dynoed 292whp on a mustang on his stock ej20

 

...I'm still waiting for this to happen. I'd rather stay out of this because I like the information I'm getting.

 

im sorry where did you get 12,000 from???, i said 8.......which is rounding up, and isnt just a frickin turbo.... for the 100th time, and i did 3 months of research with the vf22 and vf34, and the 22 is very small, slow spool, decent top end, poor bearing design, cheap, vf34 would be a better choice, better for street driving

 

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theres this cute little word in there, i think its "should", meaning if i didnt go through Dan, it would cost me 12k, im saying he got me good deals on all the parts and installs, hes charging me $5,800, the other cost is my intercooler hoodscoop airsplitter and tires, i hope to see you soon at firestone this summer
im prolly goin to end up just going with the super16G anyways, saves me $400 and is a little better street turbo, and even tho i trust the information ive gotten from the maker of the turbo and the tuner, you guys still have me paranoid enough to not want to risk the 18G, i think the super16G will still make me happy

 

ok, do you think that im trying to say that the usdm block is better? Because I never said that, or implied that. I know that STI block and others are way better. I just don't want to build a motor right now. I know you are trying to share your wisdom with me on your motor skills, but you do it in an a$$hole way. I simply wanted to find out who had the most powerful WRX motor to compare what I was doing to my car, to see if my goal was achievable, you assumed right away that I just wanted to brag about my project. That's a good quality to have. Now you have made your point many times that you know that the usdm block is open deck, thats awsome, people are getting 300+whp out of it everyday with no problems, and I'm sure they know they could get even more with a new block, etc. But all of these things cost money and take time, I don't have the money to do both motor and bolt ons, It would take me alot longer to build my car your way, and I have different goals, like paying the car off after this and buying a house. I'm going to go with the Super16G turbo, which will be just fine on stock internals even if I max the turbo out, which I won't. Anything else you would like to add?

I typed in sentances just to please you.

 

hey if we are gonna start being smart arses to people... at least spell correctly... ie sentences not sentances


and imprezme2... dude relax... really life is too short to care what people say or dont say.. its your car and your dime mate... spend it the way you want.. if you are right you will have a sweet ride that lasts... if you arent then try again... just dont say it didnt cause after the crap you have received just from saying what you are doing.. imagine what you would get if it failed.... just do what you want with your car and money...

and hey... if I ever meet ya.. take me for a spin.... ha ha

 

hey if we are gonna start being smart arses to people... at least spell correctly... ie sentences not sentances


and imprezme2... dude relax... really life is too short to care what people say or dont say.. its your car and your dime mate... spend it the way you want.. if you are right you will have a sweet ride that lasts... if you arent then try again... just dont say it didnt cause after the crap you have received just from saying what you are doing.. imagine what you would get if it failed.... just do what you want with your car and money...

and hey... if I ever meet ya.. take me for a spin.... ha ha[/quote]

Not going to lie, english was my worst class in High School. This whole project has been stressfull to me, so something like this is going to get to me. I know there is a risk of something going wrong. That is why I am upgrading my tranny, because they have a very bad rep. The 16G has to be tuned by a fool to do any harm to the motor. It's about the same as the 34 only it flows a little better, and the 34 is one of the most popular turbos for the car. I heard what all of you had to say, and yes it made me change my mind on my setup. I just don't appreciate the way I was treated. I said one little thing about the vf22, and the kid went off. Honestly do some research on that turbo, unless your just looking for a cheap turbo that gives you a little top end, and lag low end, with a poor bearing design, why do you think it wasn't as popular, and why it's so cheap, you can pick them up brand new for $575.

 

it wasnt your english I believe it was someone else being a smart arse to you... and I dont need to look or research cause I have almost $2M invested in my house and business etc... so I have no $$$ to waste on my car.... and if I do it will be the 500+hp engine I will eventually build for my RX7... not wasting money on my daily driver..the more you modify the daily driver the more likely it wont get driven daily due to breaky breaky...

 

The research comment was inteneded for the guy that wanted the vf22. The wrx is not my daily driver by the way, and is stored in the winter.

 

most of them weren't really giving you crap, they are just giving advice in a pretty harsh way on a different route that'll save you more money and run more reliable with the potential of handling more power if you go power hunger in the future. we've seen quite a few people with the idea that you have, they spend alot of money, then finally are not satisfy with the results and end up doing a swap themselves.....like everyone has mentioned so far, its your car and money, do as you wish, we are just here to give advice or opinions.

 

Oh I agree yes the vf22 p&p from db is a good idea, spools like the 34 and still has the top end. You are mistaken in saying it will outperform the super16G, the super16G flows 20 more cfm, and 2lb/min more. But yes for the money the vf22 is a better choice. I'm paying for the quality of the mitsu turbo over the ihi, known to last longer and be more efficient. Just got off the phone with Dan, and he said since I'm getting the TD05 18G and not the TD06, I should only be 310whp to the wheels on a 20psi track map on pump gas. I would be running a 17psi street map on pump gas as well. Those numbers seem low for what I am paying, but the turbo still has potential to do more in the future if and when I decide to build a motor. Their shop specializes in building motors and he does it for a living so I asked him about the motor situation. He said the motor becomes a risk at 350+whp, he said the valvetrain in the ej20 is pretty strong, and he sees alot more failures in the STI valvetrain due to the sodium springs. He then said he hasn't seen any problems with the bottom end of the ej20 with a properly put together car. He only sees problems with race gas and over 350whp.

 

Where did you hear this? It sounds like someone was either trying to run way
too much boost or that they did not know how to tune the car properly. We have
one shop car with 33,000 miles on its 18G'd engine and it has never had any
problems.

19 PSi with the correct tuning should be fine. It is not usually the turbo that
causes engine problems, but improper tuning for that turbo. If you are still
going to have GodSpeed do the work , you should be fine, Dan is a phenominal
tuner.

Jerry Hagan
Deadbolt Enterprises

 

310whp eh? on a wrx? Just as an fyi...dream's 05 sti with a sloboy 20g and everything else you listed had 310 on pump! on a mustang. so you are thinking you are going to get 310 out of a wrx on a 16g?? come on man.

 

sorry, net at work is giving me problemsk. fixed

 

310whp eh? on a wrx? Just as an fyi...dream's 05 sti with a sloboy 20g and everything else you listed had 310 on pump! on a mustang. so you are thinking you are going to get 310 out of a wrx on a 16g?? come on man.[/quote]

thats the 18G

 

Actually, the super16G flows 585cfm, and 37 lb/min, the 18G flows 590cfm and 39 lb/min, the difference in price is $100. It's not too much more than the super16 at all, but compare it to a standard 16g, which flows 520 cfm, and only 33.5 lb/min, its a huge difference.

A standard vf22 only flows 440 cfm, I highly doubt a p&p will give it over a 145cfm gain....

Another thing I find odd, is how the one guy I asked is running a 20G with stock ej20 and stock tranny at 21psi daily driving. The 20G flows 640cfm, and 44.5 lb/min, and he hasn't blown a thing in 2 years.

Dan said he has made 290whp on the Super16G on pump gas, and 325whp on race gas.