Wondering what event was going to kick off WWIII?

predavore · Aug 8, 2008

Did you see the opening olympic ceremony? Bush was sitting next to Putin. I wonder what they were talking about last night...

Putin "So, Bushy, you better watch the news tomorrow".
Bush "Why? Am I going to be on it?"

TSTRBOY2004 · Aug 8, 2008

WRXEcho said: ↑

The thing about WWII, is that we knew we were going to be bombed. And we sat there, waited, and allowed it to happen. We WANTED to go to war. We just needed to be provoked in order to gain the support of the American people. Sounds like 9/11 and Iraq :ugh:

..money, money, money, money...

But yeah...this will probably settle down pretty quick. I can't see the US getting involved unless we were "provoked" again. :roll:
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ok let suse that anal-ogy.... so instead of doing what we did we sit here knowing and waiting for ANOTHER 911 before we rally every ****head to support a war... yay..

WRXEcho · Aug 8, 2008

Wait, wha...? Instead of doing what?

The government is gonna' do what it wants to do, because the people of this country have become so complacent and apathetic. The American people are content being in the dark. As long as we have access to beer and American Gladiators, we'll remain as same as the song. Washington is corrupt, and will remain that way. We just have to accept it.

So does it really matter what WE do? No. It doesn't. Besides...the government planned 9/11...:ugh:

Roon · Aug 8, 2008

TSTRBOY2004 said: ↑

ok let suse that anal-ogy.... so instead of doing what we did we sit here knowing and waiting for ANOTHER 911 before we rally every ****head to support a war... yay..
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lulz. That whole "we gotta kill them before they kill us" attitude is just dumb. It is called blow back for our foreign policy. We did it to ourselves and now we are outraged that it happend. It is like the CEO of a company changing the benefit's package of all his employees and then getting pissed when they quit. But whatever....go kill as many people as it takes for you to sleep at night I guess.

WRXEcho · Aug 8, 2008

Roon said: ↑

lulz. That whole "we gotta kill them before they kill us" attitude is just dumb. It is called blow back for our foreign policy. We did it to ourselves and now we are outraged that it happend. It is like the CEO of a company changing the benefit's package of all his employees and then getting pissed when they quit. But whatever....go kill as many people as it takes for you to sleep at night I guess.
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Truth. I mean come on...didn't anyone see The Dark Knight? The people on those boats had to make that same decision. No one did anything, and they all lived to see another day.

Did you know that in the 20th Century, over 60 Million people were killed because of war? We're a collective bunch of idiots. Civilization isn't very civil.

TSTRBOY2004 · Aug 8, 2008

WRXEcho said: ↑

There's evidence on both sides. I've read a bunch of different texts on it. That's why I said make your own conclusions. I just don't trust anyone, and I believe that people are inherently evil. With that being said...anything is possible. Question everything.
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finally I wholeheartedly agree with you...ha ha ha but I will take your advice and question this post

WRXEcho · Aug 8, 2008

Touche'

PRA4SNO · Aug 9, 2008

we'll let NATO take care of this one. I for one doubt that washington will step to push on the russians, especially for a country like Georgia. What do the russians have an interest in Georgia for anyway? Is it possible they dont ahve an resources the russians want, and they are seriously interested in the genocide that could be occuring?

For all we're interested, as long as the Russians can give the impression of cops they will okay.

TSTRBOY2004 · Aug 9, 2008

WRXEcho said: ↑

1962-72/75 = Vietnam war. 23 years later than WWII. Got it confused with ONW and Cuba at the same time...My bad. Mistype. :-/

That's why conspiracy theories rock. Cleans everything up for the under-informed

...and to quote my Information Studies teacher, "Just because it's government information, doesn't mean it's credible."
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thta's twice now we agreed... ha hah a man I got to stop listening to MPR.... (and that was a joke!!)

ShortytheFirefighter · Aug 9, 2008

Update: It's official, the fit has hit the shan.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/09/georgia.ossetia/index.html

Georgia declares state of war with Russia

TBLISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Georgia's parliament Saturday approved a request by President Mikhail Saakashvili's to impose a "state of war," as the conflict between Georgia and Russia escalated, Georgian officials said.

A burning appartment building, damaged by a Russian airstrike is seen the northern Georgian town of Gori.

Saakashvili accused Russia of launching an unprovoked full-scale military attack against his country, including targeting civilian homes, while Russian officials insist their troops were protecting people from Georgia's attacks on South Ossetia, a breakaway Georgian region that borders Russia.

Separatist-backed South Ossetian sources reported that about 1,600 people have died and 90 have been wounded in provincial capital Tskhinvali since Russian forces entered the territory Thursday.

Russia's Interfax news agency said the death toll was at least 2,000 killed in the capital of South Ossetia and claimed the city has been destroyed.

Georgia said the overall death toll would be closer to 100.

Georgian officials said Russia has mobilized its Black Sea fleet off the coast of Abkhazia, another breakaway Georgian province.

Meanwhile, President George Bush, speaking from Beijing, called for an immediate halt to the violence, a stand-down by all troops, and an end to the Russian bombings. Watch Bush express concerns over situation Â»

The Georgian "state of war" order is not a formal declaration of war, and stops short of declaring martial law, according to Georgian officials who described it to CNN.

It gives Saakashvili powers he would not ordinarily have, such as issuing curfews, restricting the movement of people, or limiting commercial activities, those officials said.

It places the government on a 24-hour alert, said Georgian National Security Council Secretary Alexander Lomaia during a conference call with reporters.

Saakashvili asked Western leaders to pressure Russia to agree to an immediate cease-fire, which he said his country would willingly observe first.

"We are dealing with absolutely criminal and crazy acts of irresponsible and reckless decision makers, which is on the ground producing dramatic and tragic consequences," Saakashvili said Saturday afternoon.

A White House spokesman said President Bush spoke Saturday evening to Saakashvili and Russian President Medvedev.

The war, Saakashvili said, "is not about South Ossetia. It has never been in the first place. It is about destroying a small democratic nation aspiring to live in peace, freedom and liberty."

"This unprovoked, long-time-ago-planned invasion and aggression must stop," he said.

Russia, with a population of 146 million, is trying to destroy his country of 4.6 million people, he said, comparing it to the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

"I think what is at stake here is the post-Cold War order," Saakashvili said.

Inna Gagloyeva, spokeswoman for the South Ossetian Information and Press Committee, told Russia's Interfax news agency that Tskhinvali was being "massively shelled" with artillery guns. Watch images of crashed Georgian war plane Â»

It was unclear which side was in control of that city on Saturday. The Georgians said fighting raged, but the Russians said they had "liberated" the city.

"Battalion task forces have fully liberated Tskhinvali of Georgian armed forces and started pushing Georgian units out of the area of responsibility of the peacekeeping forces," said General Vladimir Boldyrev, commander of the Russian Ground Forces, in an interview with Interfax.

Colonel-General Anatoly Nogovitsyn, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, told a news conference that the Russian paratroopers will "implement the operation of enforcing peace" on both sides.

Nogovitsyn also confirmed that Georgians had shot down two Russian aircraft. Saakashvili said his military has shot down 10 Russian bombers.

Russia said the troops were also reinforcing the Russian peacekeepers already in South Ossetia.

"Our peacekeepers, along with reinforcement units, are currently conducting an operation to force the Georgian side to accept peace," Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said at the Kremlin. "They are also responsible for protecting the population."

Interfax said 15 peacekeepers were killed in the Friday attack by Georgian troops. Russia has opened a criminal probe into their deaths, Interfax reported.

Georgia, a former Soviet Republic, is a pro-Western ally of the United States intent on asserting its authority over South Ossetia and Abkhazia. which both have strong Russian-backed separatist movements. Watch Georgian minister describe fighting in South Ossetia Â»

Russia moved troops into South Ossetia early Friday after Georgia launched an operation in the breakaway region when its unilateral cease-fire was met with what it said was artillery fire from separatists that killed 10 people, including peacekeepers and civilians.

Russia charged that Georgia had targeted its peacekeepers stationed in the region.

Medvedev said Saturday that Georgia must be held responsible for the situation in South Ossetia.

"The people responsible for this humanitarian disaster need to be held liable for what they have done," Medvedev said. He said the humanitarian problems were caused by "the aggression launched by the Georgian side against the South Ossetian civilians and Russian peacekeepers."

Russian officials said more than 30,000 refugees have left South Ossetia and crossed into Russia over the past two days, since fighting began, Interfax reported.

Maia Kardava, a Red Cross spokeswoman in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi was unable to provide refugee or casualty figures Saturday morning because she said aid workers were still gathering information and visiting hospitals in South Ossetia and western Georgia.

Russian forces bombed several targets in Georgia on Saturday, according to Kardava and the British Foreign Office, which advised against all nonessential travel to Georgia.

Russian aircraft bombarded military and civilian targets the port town of Poti, on Georgia's Black Sea coast, Kardava and British and Georgian officials said. Eight Georgians were killed in the port town, Georgian officials said.

In the town of Senaki, just inland from Poti, Russian forces damaged a railway line, a military base, and a center housing civilians who fled from nearby Abkhazia.

Military bases at Vaziani and Marneuli also came under attack, the British Foreign Office said, and Russian aircraft bombed the Georgian town of Gori, about 35 miles northwest of Tbilisi, Georgian officials said.

Inside South Ossetia, civilians have been without water, electricity, and basic services for more than a day, Kardava said. She said the Red Cross was unable to reach colleagues based in Tskhinvali because their phones had lost power and they were huddled in bomb shelters.

Also Saturday, the commander of Georgian troops stationed in Iraq said the 2,000 soldiers there will be withdrawn from Iraq "very soon."

Colonel Bondo Maisuradze said the United States would provide the transport to get them out of Iraq. He said he had no time frame for the move.

Saakashvili told CNN Friday that the troops were needed in Georgia to defend against the Russian military.

Journalist Elene Gotsadze contributed to this report.

Copyright 2008 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press contributed to this report
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Well, it's official now. Last night one of the things that was talked about was the oil pipeline that runs through Georgia to Turkey, allowing us to buy oil from them instead of the Russians. Us providing transport for their 2,000 troops back from Iraq is also a pretty clear statement. Here's hoping this one gets resolved quickly.

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